Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race

Essential reading. If you're white and don't learn something from this book you're doing it wrong.

After reading both “BRIT(ish)” by Afua Hirsch and “Natives” by Akala, this just fell flat for me. The material in the book is very important but I did not enjoy Eddo-Lodge's writing style.

I was really looking forward to reading this. The title is so provocative and I was really excited to read a polemic about why someone would choose to stop trying to educate white people about racism. I think it's an interesting thing to think about, and I was really looking forward to hearing her opinions on it. That just isn't what this book is, though.

It is basically an introductory book about racism against black people in the UK. I think it was probably written for younger people or oblivious older white people. That's fine, but it's just not for someone looking for a an academic or higher level work.

I found it to be poorly cited as well. A lot of the statements that should be followed with some evidence is either lacking lacking, or using a secondary source (usually a newspaper article). It all seemed unnecessary as well, since I already believe that the UK has a racism problem. I already trusted in the premise so poorly evidenced arguments are just making it more difficult to stay with this book.

It didn't make me angry or anything, but it wasn't for me.

Very glad I read this, a much more in depth learning about the race and prejudice than I have delved into before. I look forward to being and striving to be more informed on these issues.

An absolutely wonderful and insightful read. Took me a long while but I got there in the end. What I particularly liked was that the book was written by a British author and focused mainly on British issues. It's not something I've really considered much, but there is a vast difference between the racism in America and the racism in my own country. And though I'm not British, the racism problems Britain is facing come much closer to the ones in Denmark.
It was delightfully well written and well structured. I don't really know how to rate non-fiction books, but it was great. I really enjoyed reading it.

go read it

Eddo-Lodge's book came in a lot of lists in the spring of 2020 as the pandemic raged and George Floyd's killing sparked demonstrations and organizing around the world for the Black Lives Matter movement. The book is written by a Black British feminist and as such has interesting historical details about race relations in the UK that were new to me in the specifics if not the contours, which mirror those in the US to a remarkable degree. This sets up chapters about systemic racism, white supremacy and white nationalism. The author recounts some of the “good trouble” she's gotten into by confronting white feminism in the UK, as well as the intersections between race gender and class in the process of gentrification. She wraps up with some hopeful reflections on the changes in public discourse on race, though it is an understandably reserved hopefulness. Well-written and clear, with examples and reflections from her own experience that illustrate the analysis, this is a book that earns it's praises.

I was debating whether to give this book a 4 or 5 star rating for a while, but ultimately I found it quite informative, well researched and well written. Reni Eddo-Lodge makes her point with clarity and eloquence, without indulging in pointless semantic exercises, which makes this an engaging read.
As a white person willing to learn more about systemic racism and white privilege, I found this book useful to understand the perspective of black people, and see how things I usually consider normal are, in fact, damaging and problematic, and should be addressed.

Recommended.

Dette kunne vært en meget god bok, men som mange bøker med en agenda blir det for prekete. Forfatteren vil omvende oss, og viser minimal evne til å forstå andre perspektiver enn sitt eget, noe som utfordrer credibiliteten.
Forfatteren prøver ikke å forstå noen av de andre perspektivene, og gir lite grunnlag for dialog. Ta-Nehisi Coates sin personlige bok om samme tema er langt mer overbevisende, nettopp fordi den lar meg trekke konklusjonen, med tilsvarende sterkere effekt.

This cover and title alike will surely catch your eye, but this book wasn't written to make white people feel bad about things they have no control over (like the race they were born into). It's written to help everyone do something about what we have control over (challenging racist ideas and policies). Like Kendi's work, though by nature critical, the takeaways are determinedly hopeful.

This is a refreshing perspective after reading several books about the US. Eddo-Lodge is British, and a lot of the history she recounts was new to me. Interestingly, she says her history lessons about racism growing up also centered the US, as if one country has a monopoly on structural white supremacy.

She also writes about how anti-racism relates to gender, class, and feminism. Her book taps into the 2008-2018 era, from the Great Recession to the aftermath of Brexit and electing DJT. She talks about persecution complexes and how nationalists co-opt progressive terminology to justify anti-immigration sentiments, Islamophobia, and general claims of reverse racism.

This is both very readable and nuanced. Eddo-Lodge is fantastic at reducing complex sentiments to single sentences in a way that encompasses all the nooks and crannies of an idea. It's superbly done and I'm sure anyone who picks it up will get something out of it.

As a white person I have always been aware of racism but this book really opened my eyes to how deep it runs. It's an important book to read, everyone should read it. I also think this book should be read in schools.

not rating non fic, because i don't know how to qualify a “n” star non fic book but anyway

read this. if you're white or a non black poc, read this.

One of the most insightful books I've ever read that fully explore Britain's relationship with race, and how our history and class system (as well as other things) are tired to race. Not only a necessary read for now, but a necessary read for always!

This book is really important. It contains lots of useful information about white privilege, structural racism,...
I think this is a very good book if you want to learn more about racism.

This was incredibly enlightening and informative. I found it particularly refreshing to read about structural racism in a country that isn't the USA and how similar but also different they are from each other. I recommend this book to everyone, these conversations are needed now.

So many books about the experience of racialized people are written essentially for a white audience. What a delight that Reni Eddo-Lodge speaks directly to the constant frustration of having to explain and defend the banal ubiquity of structural racism to a majority that reflexively shirks from the idea.

If you are a person of colour, read this book. It doesn't purport to solve racism or provide whiteness 101 training. Rather, it's likely the first time you will see your thoughts and frustrations at living within the bounds of white supremacy articulated so clearly and passionately by a superb writer.

The title of this book can obviously seem very provocative and that's probably one of the reasons I added it to my TBR a few months ago, but I didn't know when I was going to read it. For the past many months however, I have seen a version of this title play out in the bookish community discussions - where authors of color are tired of explaining their marginalization, how it affects their opportunities to get published or promoted, the inherent structural gatekeeping in the publishing industry and even the recent mess with the RITA nominations - all this really made me want to read this book and want to know what made the author title it so. I was also quite interested to know the British side of the story, because most of my reading on race is very US centric despite the fact that slavery started due to European colonization. And I'm so glad I picked this up.

I love how each chapter in the book deals with a different topic and the author gives her understanding of it. It begins with a brief explanation of the history of racism and while it doesn't delve too much into the beginnings of slavery, we get an idea of how black population came to be a significant percentage of the country. The author takes more time giving information about the race relations in the 20th century, the anti-black rhetoric and blatant and systemic discrimination and it's eerily similar to US history and somehow, not very different from the current anti immigrant vitriol that we hear everyday. There are also many conversations or situations that the author herself has been a part of, that she describes have shaped her views on racism and privilege and feminism etc and I really liked getting to know her personal thoughts.

The chapters that really affected me most were about white privilege and feminism. The idea that not seeing race (color blindness) and treating everybody as equal is enough to achieve a post racial society is a very privileged position to be in and only someone who has never had to consider their race while making every small decision in their life can believe that. And any talk about feminism which doesn't take into account the intersectionality between gender and race (and even class which is very intertwined with race) is doing nothing substantial for the movement. While reading these chapters, I was quickly reminded of the recent controversy with the RITA nominations where there were hardly any marginalized authors represented. This is the bookish community we are talking about - the ones who pride themselves in being able to tell stories, bring happiness to their readers and maybe even change society through their words. But in a judging process conducted by the authors themselves, it's both appalling and not at all surprising that in the romance genre filled with books about monsters and vampires and shapeshifters and many more unreal creatures, these authors found themselves not being able to relate to books written by authors of color and also found it it unbelievable that characters of color were accomplished or flawed or were able to find their HEA - all because these characters don't fit into the stereotypes they hold about the people of that particular race. And then the authors get defensive when these systemic issues and their inherent prejudices are pointed out. If this is not a great example of the manifestation of white privilege and white feminism, I don't know what is.

I don't know if I have been able to explain why I liked this book, but it's very well written, thought provoking and will leave you wanting to do something about the injustices happening around you. Don't expect this book to be a very scholarly or academic style tome and while it has a huge list of primary sources referenced at the end, the book is still more of a personal journey and experience of the author and that's why I liked it more. It's also more of a starting point and might encourage you to read more about the topics that the author talks about. As I've done a very poor job reviewing this, I will end with some wonderful quotes from the book.

”Not seeing race does little to deconstruct racist structures or materially improve the conditions which people of colour are subject to daily. In order to dismantle unjust, racist structures, we must see race. We must see who benefits from their race, who is disproportionately impacted by negative stereotypes about their race, and to who power and privilege is bestowed upon – earned or not – because of their race, their class, and their gender. Seeing race is essential to changing the system.”“White privilege manifests itself in everyone and no one. Everyone is complicit, but no one wants to take on responsibility. Challenging it can have real social implications. Because it's a many-headed hydra, you have to be careful about the white people you trust when it comes to discussing race and racism. You don't have the privilege of approaching conversations about racism with the assumption that the other participants will be on the same plane as you.”“We are told that black actors and actresses cast as central characters in works of fiction are unrealistic. We are told that they are historically inaccurate, or that they are too far a stretch of the imagination. But really, this is about a belligerent section of society that refuses to think outside of themselves, who believe that everything must cater to them and the rest of us must adapt to their whims and wishes. And this is nothing but insulting when heard by the black fiction lover who, if they are to enjoy their chosen genre, have no choice but to empathise with a character who looks nothing like them.”“Seeing non-white characters relegated to sidekick or token status has been routine for so long that, for some, attempting to try and relate to black skin in a main character is a completely alien concept. We've been positioned as the ‘other', only taking centre stage to portray subjugation or provide comic relief. White people are so used to seeing a reflection of themselves in all representations of humanity at all times, that they only notice it when it's taken away from them.”“White feminism is a politics that engages itself with myths such as ‘I don't see race'. It is a politics which insists that talking about race fuels racism – thereby denying people of colour the words to articulate our existence. It's a politics that expects people of colour to quietly assimilate into institutionally racist structures without kicking up a fuss. It's a politics where people of colour are never setting the agenda. Instead, they are relegated to constantly reacting to things and frantically playing catch-up. A white-dominated feminist political consensus allows people of colour a place at the table if we're willing to settle for tokenism, but it clamps down if they attempt to create accountability for said consensus – let alone any structural change.”“It's clear that equality doesn't quite cut it. Asking for a sliver of disproportional power is too polite a request. I don't want to be included. Instead, I want to question who created the standard in the first place. After a lifetime of embodying difference, I have no desire to be equal. I want to deconstruct the structural power of a system that marked me out as different. I don't wish to be assimilated into the status quo. I want to be liberated from all negative assumptions that my characteristics bring. The onus is not on me to change. Instead, it's the world around me. Equality is fine as a transitional demand, but it's dishonest not to recognise it for what it is – the easy route. There is a difference between saying ‘we want to be included' and saying ‘we want to reconstruct your exclusive system'. The former is more readily accepted into the mainstream.”“The perverse thing about our current racial structure is that it has always fallen on the shoulders of those at the bottom to change it.“

Hard to comment. Topic of this book doesn't bother me - I'm white in very white country. Yes, enjoying the white privilege. And while the book offered the much needed perspective on racial injustice (so there is pay-gap, important info), I am not convinced about all the arguments used. The childhood experience of parents not providing something, something being one. Show me one person where parents gave everything needed, black or not. Too personal, too little science/data. But as the topic was quite new for me, book gave some important insight. Loved British point of view, too many times topics like this are America-centric.

3.5 Above moments of distractingly patchy writing, this is an important work on Black British history and discourse on racism and oppressive structures in Britain and beyond.

I learn new things

You know it's a slow day at work when I read 60 pages.

The author is British. I am American. Looking at both countries, and the state their in, the apple does not fall far from the tree.

This is a must-read for intersectional feminists and anti-racism allies. Even if one is in America and not the UK.

I received a galley of this book via Bloomsbury and NetGalley. This has not impacted my thoughts or opinions.

This book blew me away. I found myself highlighting and bookmarking full sections of this book. As an American, I read predominantly books about the experience of black Americans and American POC. It was refreshing – yet alarmingly similar – to read about Britain's own complicated and horrific history of oppression, racism, and slavery. It's a story not frequently heard here in the U.S., but it's time we start listening to POC from other nations and experiences.

Eddo-Lodge's voice is a critical one. Her essays on white privilege and intersectional feminism are outstanding, and her expository analysis of black British history really reminded me of how much we still have yet to learn and understand.

If you're looking for an accompaniment to readings of race in America, this is the volume to pick up. Most Americans don't know of Eddo-Lodge yet, but I hope they will.

Very interesting and insightful information about England's racial history.