Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West
Ratings449
Average rating3.4
note: the version i was reading had a 9-chapter preview of the next book included which i don't count as part of the book, so i was probably closer to about 50% through the book by my estimation.ok so overall this book was weird and there were a lot of things that kinda threw me off just in general, not even in comparison to the musical/movie, so i wasn't committed super hard to finishing it in the first place. i was more reading it to see how much it differed to the adaptations and what the author would do with it, so it was easy to ignore the occasional slut-shaming and use of the g-slur, which is kind of expected in a book from the 90s.
this, however, is inexcusable and turned me off the entire book:
“What's he wearing such silly paint for?” said Avaric. “He only draws attention to himself. And that skin. I wouldn't want to have skin the color of shit.”
that is an INSANE amount of racism and it soured the whole book for me. i'm looking up a plot summary but i am not touching this book again.
I loved this book because it gave a different perspective to the Wicked Witch from L. Frank Baum's story. I was never a big fan of Dorothy, so reading the story from Elphaba's point of view was really a lot of fun. I do have to admit though, I enjoyed the musical SO much more than the book! I still really love the book and have read it numerous times.
This one has been in my TBR for a long time. I'm glad I read it and I'm impressed by the world-building, though some of the themes weren't quite for me. I think perhaps I am not familiar enough with Wizard of Oz to have understood exactly how some of the side characters' stories come together; but if you are a big fan of Wizard of Oz, the amount of detail should be quite rewarding!
DID NOT FINISH — I will not rate a book that I shelf as “did not finish.” I don't believe it's fair to put a rating on books I didn't read from beginning to end.
Just like the musical, this really only gets good in the back half but it's surprisingly meatier and thematic than the musical would lead you to believe.
I've had this one on my list to read for a while. Since it's now a movie and the family wants to watch it, I decided to finally take the plunge.
Overall, I really enjoyed Wicked. I've read the original Wizard of Oz, so to read this from Elphaba's perspective with a retake on Wizard of Oz with a cameo from Dorothy was fun.
I already have the other 3 books in this series and plan to read those soon. I'll be interested to see how the movie Wicked plays out.
Summary: The backstory on the Wicket Witch of the West in Oz.
I do not remember when I read Wicked the first time. My guess is that I read it after I saw the stage adaptation in 2007 or so. I have not previously written about it so it was likely before 2009 when I started blogging. After watching the recent movie, I decided to reread the book again because I really have no specific memory of the book other than the broadest strokes of the story and I suspected most of what I remembered was from the stage production not the book.
To the best of my memory, I think have seen the stage production either two or three times between 2006 and 2013 and now have read the book twice and watched the movie once. (My wife and I saw it together to see if our kids were ready for it and we will probably take them to see it over Christmas break.)
Part of what prompted me to read it again was all of the "don't let your kids read this" posts. I remember the book being for adults, but I didn't have any specific memories of it being overly crude or sexual or violent. One of my current pet peeves is classifying books with sex as "adult" instead of thinking about a wide variety of reasons why a book is written for an adult audience.
Yes, I don't think that Wicked was written for a pre-teen audience. I think putting the movie images on the cover is a bad idea because the stage musical and the movie are very different stories from the book. I hope that after the second movie is out, that there will be a movie novelization book. I think most pre-teen readers will be bored because the book is primarily concerned with adult issues, not adult as in sex (although there is sex in it) but adult as in questions of meaning, purpose and the role of naturalism and faith. Wicked is a slow story that that covers about 40 years of time.
The book is nearly 40 years old at this point so I am not going to worry too much about spoilers, but I also am not trying to ruin the book if you haven't read it. The book opens with Elphaba's parents. Her father is a fire and brimstone preacher who is calling the community to holiness. Her mother is a younger daughter who can't wait to get out of her home and marries the first man that shows an interest in her beyond her family's position and money. He travels on preaching tours and she is lonely and has many affairs and one night stands with whoever happens to come by in her rural poor community. She has a problem with drugs and alcohol, he has a problem with self indulgent navel gazing and not paying attention to anyone around him.
When Elphaba is born with green skin and razor sharp teeth, the father blames himself and leaves home even more on preaching tours as penance and her mother continues her own avoidance schemes. Eventually a refugee, Turtle Heart, from another part of Oz comes by and ends up moving in for years. He provides stability for the couple and as is hinted at in the early pages and is expressly discussed later, is sexually involved with both of Elphaba's parents separately and might be the father of Elphaba's younger sister Nessarose. The background and childhood of Elphaba is about the first quarter of the book, but isn't really even mentioned in the movie.
The stage show and movie really start with the Elphaba and Nessarose going away to school. Again, like many places the book differs in the story from the play and movie. In almost all cases, I think the play/movie are the better story arc.
The movie/play have basically no religious storyline, but in large part the book is a story of how different members of Elphaba's family use religion and religious ideas of make sense of the world. Elphaba's father is a fundamentalist who is trying to atone for his own sins through devotion. Elphaba's mother has no real faith, but she also is not opposed to faith. She just doesn't really let faith get in the way of her pleasure and self-interest. Elphaba, because of her green skin and being the child of a roving missionary (in the book) she has grown up with faith all around her but can't really believe. When she goes away to school and is allowed to explore her atheism, she becomes a naturalist who seeks to explain the world apart from faith. Nessarose is a true believer who commands faith for others as she comes into power.
I think the religious aspects of the story could be interested but largely fall flat because they are explored seriously. Faith here is largely about determinism and prophecy not a serious exploration of the supernatural. Elphaba seems to be destined to be magical even as she doesn't really believe in magic. In almost all cases, both she and the reader are not really sure if events are the result of magic or not. Toward the end of the book as Wicked has to account for meshing with the original Wizard of Oz story, Elphaba suspects she is going mad and there is bad luck and seemingly fate that drives the story.
There really are almost no aspect of the book vs musical/movie story arcs that I think are better in the book. There is more detail, but that doesn't mean better. Maguire tries to make Oz into a full economy and political system, but it feels more like satire than an actual system.
I think I like the book more on the second reading than the first. But I think it has the same problems of Lev Grossman's Magicians series and Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials. Grossman and Pullman are good authors, but the point of the books seems to be opposing the themes and stories of Lewis and Rowling not honoring them. I am a big fan of the retelling of fairy tales. I think KB Hoyle does a great job of it in her books, but to retell a story well you have to be willing to honor the original.
Brett McCracken at The Gospel Coalition wrote a review opposing the Wicked movie as being post-Christian morality. I think that review was wrong on a number of levels. First of all, the book and the musical/movie are not excusing wickedness, but exploring how we tend to see wickedness. We showed my children (9 and 11) the Wizard of Oz the first time a few days ago. Glinda when she introduces herself to Dorothy she asks Dorothy if she is a good witch or a bad witch. Dorothy says, "I'm not a witch at all. Witches are old and ugly." And then when Glinda reveals that she is a witch Dorothy responds, "You are? Oh, I beg your pardon. But I've never heard of a beautiful witch before."
Part of what Wicked is doing is not denying wickedness as a reality, but playing with the assumptions that the original had about beauty and ugliness and the connection to morality. There seems to continue to be assumptions that we can see who is evil. That is regularly still something that people say in response to sexual abuser or murders, "but they seemed so nice."
Elphaba is treated throughout her life as if she is bad because of how she looks. Her father especially views her as his curse. While Glinda is assumed to be good inherently because of her beauty. But the movie/musical more than the book show that Glinda's character is the problem not her beauty. In the book Glinda ages and isn't really beautiful any longer when she meets Dorothy. She is all facade no depth.
My problem with the book isn't that it is trying to explore what it means to be wicked. My problem is that it doesn't do a very good job of that, everyone is really a bad character, or at least has the potential to be bad. Even the good characters like Doctor Dillamond, Ama Clutch and Nanny are not very good. While the most despicable characters are those who just are willing to be openly despicable. One of the minor characters from the group of school friends, Avaric, was rich and awful and at the end when Elphaba again runs into him, his primary feature is just not caring that people see him as as evil as he is, he is authentic in his evilness.
The only charm to the original wizard was his bumbling nature. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." In the movie, the wizard is less bumbling and more interested in his plans. He creates fear and hatred against the Animals not because he hates Animals, but because he is willing to harm for the sake of his power. Again, that is not opposed to morality as McCracken suggests, but rather emphasizes traditional warnings about power. In the book, the wizard is largely off stage. He is other and I think Maguire couldn't figure out how to make him anything other than more evil than he already was.
The tragedies of Elphaba's life, her skin and family, the death of her love, her inability to overthrow the wizard were largely outside of her control. But what was in her control wasn't handled well either. She isn't a particularly sympathetic character even if we can see more of how she came to be and that is where the book fails. Largely the opposite of McCracken's charge.
McCracken largely thinks the problem with the "post-Christian morality" is that Wicked embraces "woke" theory of ethics. But in McCracken's framing, there is no place for working for justice outside of traditional systems of morality. I don't think McCracken has read the book, because if anything the book would support his framing more than the movie/musical do. The movie/musical story is better because it is trying to tell a simpler story.
This was originally posted on my blog at https://bookwi.se/wicked/
Originally posted at bookwi.se.
Venant de voir la musical j'avais absolument envie de découvrir le roman qui lui a donné naissance (et qui prenait la poussière sur mon étagère depuis quelques années ahem).
Je savais que Wicked était beaucoup plus sombre que Le Magicien d'Oz et que la musical restait elle aussi “grand public”. J'avoue que je ne m'attendais pas à autant de noirceur. Le règne du magicien est une représentation parfaite d'un régime fasciste où le racisme se fait de plus en plus présent, accepté peu à peu par tout le monde sans broncher (pour ne pas trop “déranger”). Le livre démontre aussi les ravages de l'époque car même dans les contrées où le fascisme ne règne pas il montre son influence sur les mentalités et la façon dont il contamine et fait germer ses préjugés de manière insidieuse.
Elphaba est beaucoup plus torturée et incertaine, prise dans de grandes considérations ontologiques sur la nature du bien et du mal. Au final la magie est peu présente, utilisée par petites touches et beaucoup des éléments expliqués dans la musical ne trouvent pas d'explications dans le récit, livrés tels quels, ce qui a tendance à laisser un peu sur sa faim.
Je pense que c'est cela qui me fait hésiter entre 3 et 4 étoiles. Bien que l'histoire soit très intéressante et nous fait découvrir une très sombre facette du pays d'Oz, elle s'avère extrêmement complexe et dense, s'égarant parfois dans de longs passages délirants assez difficiles à appréhender.
J'ai apprécié que les personnages ne soient pas manichéens, plein de questionnements, de doutes, de pensées et d'agissements contradictoires. Malheureusement l'ensemble laisse vraiment l'impression d'une énorme pelote d'intrigues extrêmement dure à démêler et à suivre.
Il reste plusieurs livres dans la série, je pense prendre le temps de digérer celui ci avant de décider si je continue ou pas!
“Quand l'époque est un creuset, quand l'air vibre de violence, les victimes sont ceux qui restent le plus eux-mêmes.”
Rating: 2.5/5
This book is much too boring to me, however, I think it was supposed to be that way since it's kind of written like a biography. I didn't care enough about Elphaba to care about her Life and Times. The characters are not explored at all and are kept at a distance from the reader. I thought some of the themes and questions that the author asked were incredibly interesting (hence the 2.5 star rating). The author asks the reader to consider the subjects of relative truths and subjective worlds, through the concepts of moral goodness. What is evil? What makes someone evil? Are they truly evil or is it just they stand in the way of something that the other person wants? Who gets to tell the stories and determine who is good and who is evil?
These questions are fascinating, but I really don't think Maguire does a good job exploring them. I wish he had taken the time to explain the world more and sit and explore more moments in detail instead of covering the Elphaba's entire life.
2.5/5
pour être honnête, je m'attendais à autre chose.
Cette réinterprétation de l'histoire du magicien d'Oz était dans le fond intéressante, elle pousse à la réflexion et nous fait découvrir des facettes de l'univers auxquelles on aurait pas pensé de prime abord en regardant le film.
Par contre pour ce qui est de la forme j'ai bien moins aimé.
Beaucoup de longueurs, peu d'action et un style auquel j'ai difficilement accroché. Je n'ai pas eu de difficultés à lire ce roman mais je ne me suis pas sentie investie plus que ça dans l'histoire et il y a certains moments où l'auteur nous perd un peu.
Malgré ça j'ai beaucoup aimé (re)découvrir le personnage de la méchante sorcière de l'ouest. C'etait très chouette de voir cette version du personnage imaginée par l'auteur.
Les + de ce roman :
This book has been on my TBR list forever. Wicked the musical is one of my favorite things so I thought I would love this too. Boy was I wrong! This was so hard to get into and didn't hold my interest that much. Definitely don't go into it thinking it's going to be exactly like the musical cause it's not. I can't even say too much about this book since I was just so uninterested the entire time. It was a great concept but not written well enough to keep me entertained. No wonder it took me so long to read it.
3.5 stars. Really enjoyed the reading, and Elphaba's story, but it did have some moments in the middle where the story seemed to drag.
Slow and boring writing/plot. The first chapters describes the life of a pastor and his wife, as a new religion threatens to take over his flock. His religion is very strict, and the new one very liberal, encouraging the pursuit of pleasure.
Their daughter is the baby that will in the future be known as the Wicked Witch of the West. For some reason, her skin is green, and her teeth are very sharp.
The pastor looses the battle and is forced to flee, because his old congregation is told by the new priests that he must die.
I am baffled that a book so ponderously dull was made into such a great musical. I almost stopped reading it halfway through – the first half is just awful. It did get a little more readable toward the end, though.
I cannot give a fair rating for this book, since I haven't ever finished it. I've attempted twice and gotten half way. There's this one really long drawn out part. But I will try again.
I love the musical so much, and the book does add more depth into the story of Elphaba and Glinda (of course pictured as Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth in my head when I read), and I like what I've read so far. It's written like a classic, and we all know what that can mean. Who knows.. maybe I've gotten two pages from the book picking back up. I really enjoyed the beginning about Elphaba growing up and being sent to school. But then when you get into all the clock stuff, it starts slowing down for me. I hate to be the one to never finish a book though, so I will. I freaking will.
So many negative reviews on this book. It seems everyone was expecting the play. This is more of a character piece than a fantasy novel. I thought it was quite good. But I can see how some may not like this book. Elphaba is the “witch” of the story. More if a loner than anything else. What is interesting is that this book does not give you any answers, just more questions. The book makes you think outside your comfort zone.
So many negative reviews on this book. It seems everyone was expecting the play. This is more of a character piece than a fantasy novel. I thought it was quite good. But I can see how some may not like this book. Elphaba is the “witch” of the story. More if a loner than anything else. What is interesting is that this book does not give you any answers, just more questions. The book makes you think outside your comfort zone.
I enjoyed it....until that annoying little girl and her even more annoying dog showed up.
As someone who came to the book only having heard the musical CD (yeah, i actually still bought that one on CD), I was positively surprised at the adult tone that Maguire has. This is not a children's book and it has little in common with the colorfull, cute version of Oz we know from our childhood movie/literature classics.
I preferred this dark, political version of the land and I enjoyed every page of gritty, sinister intrigue as well as the sexual undertones. If you've only seen the musical: Prepare for something very different, less comic but no less enjoyable.
Fully review here: http://sffbookreview.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/gregory-maguire-wicked/
I struggles to get through this book as an audiobook. I started listening to it on Oct. 26, 2009 and finished it on May 16, 2011, which tells you how much I liked it. I can not believe they made a Broadway show out of this book. There were so many random things and storylines that really didn't go together. I particularly didn't like the random sexual scenes that had no real purpose except to shock the reader, in my opinion.I buy audiobooks to help move the time along on long drives and keep me awake. This book did neither and on several occasions I found myself nodding off while driving and having to change to another book or music.I bought the [b:Son of a Witch 13521 Son of a Witch (Wicked Years, #2) Gregory Maguire http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1166564765s/13521.jpg 845295] on audiobook but unless I want to be put to sleep I doubt I'll ever read it.
I had heard the hype about this book/musical and was honestly intrigued about the premise, but I was disappointed overall. I understood the themes the author wanted to explore, but it was either the writing style or the words themselves that left me to skip paragraphs here in there just to get the book finished. Obviously this is a spinoff of a children's story, but it seemed more distracting to have this kind of story set in a land like Oz with all the weird phrases and terminology that no enjoyment was added to the experience.
The last section of the book where the time line is supposed to meet that of the original story I found to be the most interesting but still really confusing as to who these characters are and how they came to be. It's as if all the back story that was established previously within the book came undone in that last section. I understand that the Wicked Witch is supposed to be so filled with conflict over what has happened in her life that she's so unstable in the end, but it just turns her into another shallow pathetic female protagonist.