The Just City

Like much classical philosophy, this book asks interesting questions, but ultimately fails to come up with answers that don't fall back on bioessentialist heteronorminativity. But, like, it's very entertaining and ably written? The rushed ending just let me down a great deal.

You never know what you're going to get with a Jo Walton book, but it's always an interesting idea. I loved this one, maybe not as much as I adored Lent, but definitely up there with my favorite books this year. And there are two more for me to read!

Jesus, this idiot hasn't read even a paragraph of classical philosophy.

There's an awful lot of set up in this book. More than I have the patience for right now.

Such philosophy, much Plato. Yeah, well. The Just City can be summed up as an imaginary of how Plato's Republic would play out in real life—but with active participation of Gods and robots and, like, time travel. It's a good book, and it's really interesting to see how it tackles Plato's theories and plays with them, bringing up questions and discussions and counter-arguments and an amazing debate between Sokrates and Pallas Athene and whatnot. The great issue here, in my opinion at least, is that it doesn't really bring anything new to the table. So humans are flawed, what's new? So Gods can play with mortals, what's new? So robots might develop sentience, intelligence and/or free will, what's freaking new about that? Apollo wanting to reach excellence is interesting, but... it's not really the focus here, is it? He's just along for the ride.

It is a nice read. Jo Walton's prose is fluid, and it takes us competently in a journey with three different characters who show us different points of view on the Just City's foundation and development. It's just sad that the only thing that made me really, actually glad about it was that it had a definite end, instead of ending in a cliffhanger—it does leave stuff for later, and its ending is sort of anti-climatic, but it is finished nonetheless; it's almost a self-contained story, meaning you could just leave it here and just disregard its sequels entirely. I intend to read them—the sequels, that is; eventually—, but I'm just not in a hurry.

Well I'm still not sure if I liked this story, but after gadfly-Sokrates comes to play (no spoilers, that's in the blurb) it was delightfully classic Walton (again, with the depictions of childbirth and parenting that broke my heart, although not as badly as [b:My Real Children 18490637 My Real Children Jo Walton https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1380218782s/18490637.jpg 26174356]). I feel like a passing acquaintance with [b:The Republic 30289 The Republic Plato https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1386925655s/30289.jpg 1625515] would help here. Having had it come up multiple times in my uni life lately is what inspired me to finally give the series a go, so I can't speak to what the story would look like without knowing the basic premise of Plato's thought experiment. I'll keep going with the series.

Probably 3.5.
An unusual book, which, despite the heavy emphasis (obviously) on Platonic philosophy, intrigued me. The combination of Greek Gods, time travel, philosophy, and robotic self awareness drew me in. The book has no real plot, and I honestly could not work out where it was going - and the story just stopped. Maybe that was the point, the story structure reflects the thought experiment of building the Just City. Let's build it and see where it goes.

To my great surprise I enjoyed it. I've started on the second novel to see if the story ends up anywhere interesting.

Incidentally, I have also downloaded some translations of Plato's work. We'll have to see how that goes!

The basic premise for this is the goddess Athene tries to create the perfect city Plato wrote about in The Republic. It also does this really interesting thing where it's almost a sci-fi but it doesn't feel like a typical sci-fi. And yet it features robots and has an interesting idea that getting robots to work for humans is basically slavery. I enjoyed it and it made me want to read The Republic.

I have something of a complicated relationship with the word ???philosophy???. I know, more or less, what it means, and what it can imply, but if someone tells me that a book is, specifically, ???about??? philosophy or is ???philosophical???, my tendency is to eye the book warily and wonder whether or not I want to devote time and energy to it. This might seem rather strange, because any voracious reader is, technically, dealing with philosophy whenever they read, whether they are aware of it or not. But in recent years the words ???philosophy??? and ???philosophical??? has been twisted around in a way that I don???t particularly appreciate, becoming a label generally applied to lengthy essays and dry tomes that I???ve found boring and, all too often, condescending.

If I want philosophy, I am much happier encountering it couched in poetry, or in prose. Some of the snobbier folk out there might consider this cheating, or a dilution from the ???pure??? philosophy that they prefer, but I find that fiction and poetry give philosophical concepts the necessary scaffolding they need to become truly ???real??? in my head, giving them a structure and a shape that lets them, in my opinion, find their truest meaning. Once that???s been done, then I can bring myself to address it, untangling it from the plot and dialogue, uncovering it from underneath the lines and stanzas. There are some exceptions to this (The Art of War and The Prince are two of my personal favourites), but if I feel in the mood to dissect existentialism, or contemplating the nature of the divine, I???ll read a dystopian sci-fi novel or Rumi???s ghazals.

My initial interest in Jo Walton???s The Just City therefore, didn???t have much to do with Plato, or Socrates, but more to do with the fact that it???s a novel, and apparently a really good one, too, written by a really good author. I???d heard of Walton???s work before, not least because Hope is a fan and has for some years now been trying to get me into her work. I tried, before, with her novel Tooth and Claw, but I lost interest in it after a while, despite the inclusion of dragons, and hadn???t thought to pick up anything new since.

But when I learned that she was coming out The Just City, and that it was to be the first book in a series, I decided that it was as good a time as any to try again. This time, however, I didn???t lose interest, and The Just City is most certainly going to be ranked in one of my favourite reads for this year, and very likely beyond.

The Just City opens with the gods Apollo and Athene deciding to attempt an experiment: they will try to create recreate Plato???s ideal government based on what he set out in The Republic and his other writings. It???s not an easy task, but in the end, they manage to get it just the way they want it, more or less: a few hundred adults, made up of philosophers and thinkers of different ages and genders from many different points of time and space, teaching just over ten thousand children who were rescued from slave markets near where they set up the city. Athene chooses to retain her divine powers so she can help run the city, but Apollo chooses to incarnate as mortal, to truly experience the life of the Just City and to learn from its inhabitants.

And for a while, everything goes as planned. The children grow into young adulthood, learning from their teachers and ???reaching for excellence???. However, when Athene brings Sokrates to teach the children rhetoric, the careful balance maintained in the city slowly begins to crumble, as Socrates does what he does best: ask questions.

It???s easy to assume, just from reading the title, that an understanding of Plato and his work is absolutely necessary for comprehending Walton???s novel, but that???s not necessarily the case. I???m sure that having previous experience with Plato???s work will help make things a lot easier to understand, but speaking as someone who hasn???t read more than a few extracts of Plato???s Republic, this novel doesn???t require even a complete working knowledge of Plato???or any philosopher???s work, for that matter???in order to enjoy it. Perhaps a quick skim of Jostein Gaarder???s Sophie???s World will suffice as preparation, if one thinks one needs to prepare, but I can guarantee that even without any preparation of any sort, one can enjoy the novel.

What it does require of the reader, however, is that they are willing to spend time thinking. The novel???s action is slow, encouraging contemplation; even the way the chapters are written allow the reader to leave off at the end of two or three chapters, to think on what they???ve just read, and then come back to the novel without feeling any loss of reading momentum. Despite that, however, the prose does not drag in the least, and it???s entirely possible to devour the book in one sitting, if one is in a mood to do so. However, this is a novel that is most rewarding for those who take their time, and for those who go back and re-read.

There are many concepts and ideas in this novel. It goes back to what I was saying earlier, about my preference for tackling philosophy in the form of fiction or poetry: the story acts as a scaffold upon which the concepts hang and are given flesh, and this novel is a near-perfect illustration of that idea. There is not much action in the story: the children grow and learn; the teachers teach, learn, and manage the community; and Apollo and Athene go about living their lives in their own way. But in the everyone tries to do what they think is best for themselves, their charges, and the city, and it is in those quiet, seemingly unremarkable spaces of their lives that they ask some of the most extraordinary questions???questions that we still ask and contemplate upon today.

It certainly helps that the characters are, in and of themselves, well-written and interesting. The novel is told from the point-of-view of three characters, who tell their stories from first-person perspective: Apollo; Simmea, a child kidnapped by slavers, and then bought and brought to the Just City; and Maia, a young woman from the Victorian period who prayed to Athene and was brought by the goddess to the Just City to act as one of the teachers for the children. While Apollo is interesting to read about, it???s Simmea and Maia???s stories that really sucked me in, especially when they were interacting with their fellow children (in Simmea???s case) and teachers (in Maia???s). One would assume that those interactions would be charming idylls, and they are, for the most part, but Walton does not shy away from addressing certain hard truths that any woman of the twenty-first century would recognise. After all, even in the Just City, women can and do still run into, and have to deal with, prejudice.

These encounters with prejudice, and a great many other issues, besides, are at the core of what I think this novel???s about: the question of whether or not a utopia is truly possible. It addresses the inherent fragility of a utopia, how the very concept cannot withstand close inquiry. The more questions one asks about a utopia, the more likely it is to fall apart???which, ironically, begs the question: Is it better to leave those questions unasked, as long as the utopia can keep existing, or would it be better for the utopia to fall if it cannot withstand being questioned?

Overall, The Just City is an exquisite gem of a book, the perfect gateway not just to Walton???s prose, but also to certain key concepts and ideas in philosophy. It???s not very action-heavy, but that???s not the point: the point is to open the mind to inquiry, and to think deeper thoughts. The language is lovely and easy to read, but the reader may want to take their time with this book, to give them time to really understand and absorb the topics and questions that Walton proposes throughout the course of the novel. The characters are also charming and well-written, and are, in many ways, the key to engaging with the novel, and with its content???and once one is hooked, there is no possible way one can go back. Fortunately, the next book, The Philosopher Kings, is coming out sometime this year, so readers will not have to wait very long to find out what happens next.

Originally reviewed at www.emeraldcitybookreview.com

Nobody can take an idea and run with it like Jo Walton. This is the writer who gave us a Trollopean social satire populated by dragons (Tooth and Claw), a country house murder mystery that turns into a chilling alternate history of a Fascist England (Farthing), and a coming-of-age story built around lots of science fiction book recommendations. With fairies. And Wales (Among Others).

Now, in The Just City, we have what sounds like the winner of a “wackiest premise for a novel” contest: a group of time-traveling philosophers from throughout history, led by a couple of Olympian gods, set out to turn Plato's Republic from theory into fact. Because this is Jo Walton, she has us hooked from the first chapter. This nonchalantly introduces us to Apollo, fresh from a disastrous encounter with the nymph Daphne. He goes for advice to his wise sister Athene, who keeps getting prayed to by people from all kinds of times and places to please help them create the Republic on earth, and needs to find something to do with them. It just gets better – and stranger – from there.

Apollo is one of the narrators of the story, in alternating chapters with Maia, one of the Masters whose prayers to Athene have entitled her to build and organize the city, and Simmea, one of the “children” who are rescued from lives of slavery to grow up under the Platonic system and aim at the philosopher's ultimate goal of pursuing excellence. (In an effort to learn some important things that he can't understand as a powerful god, Apollo has elected to be born as a mortal and grow up as one of the children as well.) So from three different levels of consciousness we see how the experiment is working out, and where some of the difficulties lie, especially after Sokrates himself comes to the city with his troubling questions.

The details of making the Republic a reality are largely the fun of the book. Thriving on a regime of exercise, art, and study, Simmea grows to love the city and embrace its ideals, while in a society based on equality of the sexes Maia finds a welcome release from the limitations of her previous Victorian existence. Appearances by real historical personalities are entertaining, as is the idea of rescuing some of the greatest lost literature and art – Botticelli's Winter, anyone? But some of the more bizarre notions on which the city is founded cause it to start to crumble as the years go by, and serious questions about the nature of the soul, individuality, and self-determination arise.

The fact that the Just City has problems is not a reflection on the achievement of Plato in The Republic; the masters themselves acknowledge that the dialogue was meant as a thought experiment and not as a practical blueprint. Taking the experiment a step further through fiction, though, causes the thoughts to be reactivated and reassembled in a new form, and that's not a bad thing. It definitely made me want to read Plato for the first time since I was forced to do so in school. I was less interested in the debate about artificial intelligence that comes to dominate the latter part of the book. I am willing to suspend disbelief for a lot of things, but the idea that robots can become sentient just from being around a critical mass of philosophers is not one of them.

This and a few other aspects caused me not to love this book as much as I could have (including several disturbing rape scenes). Still, I found The Just City to be a diverting, thought-provoking, mind-bending ride of a novel, philosophy degree not required. Thanks once again to Jo Walton for writing a book like nothing anybody else would ever dream of, and making it seem the most natural thing in the world. I'll definitely be reading the sequel, The Philosopher Kings, which is fortunately coming out in only a few months.