Plain Bad Heroines

As much as I wanted to like this book, I unfortunately did not. At over 600 pages, it really dragged and I can't say that any of the characters were particularly likeable. Was it beautifully Sapphic, yes. Was it a horror book? NO. There were a few moments of foreboding but it all fizzled out at the end. I am proud of myself for pushing through this slog of a novel.

Overall enjoyed the story and the intertwining of past/presence (along with a dash of meta). There were TONS of footnotes. This was super annoying to read on a kindle – footnotes took me completely out of reading flow every few pages and didn't really add much of interest.

Some of it was fun, but I was bored by the end. I bore easily however, so take this with a grain of salt.

I “read” this as an audiobook and thought the narration was very good.

I did enjoy - mostly but it is long. At 640 pages I have read longer books. But this felt long.

The book is told moving back and forth from the past to the present. I did enjoy the past storyline much more.

The present storyline did ever get to fruition for me. It seemed to be focused on celebrity and unnecessary backstory for those characters which ultimately never really cumulated to anything. The story in relation to filming the movie didn't get off the ground for me. So I wasn't sure what its purpose was. Perhaps I have missed something.

Gothic but not horror is, in my opinion, the better way to describe it. It's spooky in places but not scary.

For all its 600+ pages I was left wanting more of the past story and ‘the French connection' if you will permit me to use that term. Maybe that was the author's intention.

I did enjoy a lot of the book but not it all.

So 3/5 for me.

Scale:

1 = bad
2 = okay
3 = good
4 = great
5 = excellent

(Ratings 3 to 5 can be given even if the book is not perfect but there was an enhancing factor such as readability, enjoyment, or a certain spark).

Interesting.

I think the difference between the love between a woman and a woman, a man and a man, and a man and a woman is fascinating. It's all love, but there is a certain difference. It's quite clear, but I can't explain it.

I love the mystical flavor of this story.

this was going nowhere

Good fun

Deliciously spooky book that got under my skin and buzzed in my ears when I wasn't reading it.

Danforth's tale within a tale (within a tale) surprised me at times and also made me laugh. The descriptionns were vivid, clear and at times cloying. I loved the catty omniscient narrator channeling Jane Eyre and found myself unable to put it down like the very heroines with their tattered, cursed manuscript.

I found the ending somewhat disjointed as it both seemed to stop short and just whither away. I was disappointed that such premise seemed to come to little, I wanted so much more.

But while I read it the high-pitched voices of the girls haunted me from the pages and I heard the yellow jackets in the air. Definitely a book to immerse oneself in.

One of the rare times when a re-read ends up with a higher rating. The first time around I found I gave this 3/5. The highlight for me was how it created a buzzing atmosphere with its language.

However, after reading the source material for the book, I can see how this is also a love letter to the young, queer, feminist Mary MacLane. Personally, I would highly recommend reading THE STORY OF MARY MACLANE to truly appreciate what the author did here and also experience the remarkable writing of Mary's book published in 1901 when she was just 19 years old.

A book, about a book that features a real book that's adapted to a film that's about making a film. About as meta as you can get. Strap in for this sapphic, gothic, horror story.

Remember when I said I was annoyed by the indulgence of Honey Girl? That its irreverence impeded it more than colored it? This, this book is how you do indulgence. Where else are you going to get a story where three women fall unapologetically and non-committedly in love with each other?

Ok, sometimes the irreverence was a bit much, but most of the time it was just right.

Plain Bad Heroines is many stories in one. If that's freaking you out a bit, I wouldn't worry. It's less confusing and unwieldly than it sounds. There is the story of Flo and Clara - the inciting incident, that in fact only takes a small portion of the book -, two girls enamored with the memoir of Mary Maclane and each other (I read this book under the assumption that Ms. MacLane was something Danforth had made up, but she and her books are very real, as it turns out), the story of the chaos that erupts at their school after their horrifying deaths, and then the story of two actresses and a young writer a hundred years later, all trying to put the story to screen without falling to the supposed curse themselves. The stories of Audrey, Harper and Merritt in the present day has the clever irreverence of contemporary fiction along with a suspenseful Hollywood feel, while the one happening in the past is a frightening gothic horror story. All the while yellow jackets hum in the background, shining black apples rot in a field, and Emily Danforth is intent on haunting your mind with every element of this story.

This book is great. Despite its girth, its a profoundly easy read. It's 600+ pages and I read it in 20 days. I haven't done that in...I don't even know. Ninth House took me four months. As stated, this book is indulgent with the way it digs into the characters stories and relationships, but its also economical and efficient with the way their drawn. Harper Harper, the bona fide movie star, is marked by her affableness and charm, her ability to be indefatigably sexy and pleasant at the same time. Merritt Emmons, the author of the book that tells the story of Flo and Clara and their school, is understandably the opposite - prickly as a cactus, but deeply relatable. Audrey Wells is the closest to the “everywoman,” the mostly unremarkable actor daughter of a notorious scream queen, who is the most effected by the otherworldliness of shooting a scary movie at the cursed Brookhants school. Danforth gives each of them their stories and their perspectives, but also doesn't try too hard to make you believe them. Which I appreciate. Danforth trusts her story and her reader.

This strategy is maybe a little less effective with the characters in the past story - Libbie Brookhants and her lover Alexandra Trills. It's not until you hear Libbie's backstory that you understand that this principal of a boarding school for girls was in fact a wild child caught in a web that she never could have anticipated (well, maybe a little), and poor poor Alex deserved better (I hate that phrase, by the way, especially when it comes to horror. It's horror! Everyone deserved better! But still, poor Alex). When we had to return to the past, especially when it was Alex's POV, I found myself a little irritated. But Danforth is very clever with the way she bounces backing forth between past and present, from character to character. It's done in a very crafty way to keep you engaged, and just about every chapter is worth it, even if there are certain characters that you would prefer to be reading instead. While the present story is funny and charming with some thrills thrown in to remind you this is in fact horror, the one in the past is rich with mystery and intrigue. For those aesthetically minded, its a brilliant mashup of dark academia and pulp slasher vibes.

That all being said, Plain Bad Heroines is a lot of a lot of things. As such it lacks the streamlined precision that is often necessary for the genres and elements its throwing together. Instead of choosing a particular ghost or reasoning, Danforth instead uses these pieces (black seaweed, buzzing yellow jackets, nesting dolls, poisonous flowers etc etc) and repeats them over and over to get you drunk on atmosphere. The characters are not so much terrorized but so overwhelmed they become delirious. Its incredible fun and deeply absorbing, but when all is said and done its a little...meaningless? There's no evil witch to defeat, no malady to overcome, no tortured ghost to free. No lesson. Should all scary stories have lessons? Most of them do, at least the ones we like to tell. This one though is more like real life ghost stories. The characters live through it and then live on with it. It's not clean and tidy, but it is very satisfying and very enjoyable.

Also gay. Just absolutely undeniably sapphic and gay. Like I said, this is the kind indulgence I like.

This was creepy and weird and delightful. I found the ending unsatisfying but the rest of it was so good that it almost didn't matter.

The plot, characters, and setting were all great, but the execution was lacking. I wish we'd had less of the first half and more of the second half...and a bit more of a resolution.

What this book really could have used is a better editor. With the right one to help curb some of Emily Danforth's rambling tendencies and lopsided arc this could have easily become 5 stars.

An entertaining gothic with supernatural elements and a lot of Sapphic romance. The only thing that bothered me about this was the occasionally odd sentence structure and some of the txtspk going over my head. I may be a millennial but we don't all know every meme-y acronym going! The prose is written in a very conversational tone, constantly referring back to you as ‘Dear Readers' that did get a little tiring towards the end.

The story (stories) itself was engaging and suitably creepy. I enjoyed the swapping back and forth between the present and the past with the varying intricacies of the curse of Brookhants. Despite some of the meme-speak, I did find myself liking the present day chapters a little more. Yes, it is quite long with these dual-stories, but you can't really have one without the other.

3.75

the concept itself is 5 stars but man. the execution was not ideal. the book is definitely too long and dwells on unnecessary scenes.

i didnt mind the narrator but i also feel like your good old 3rd person point of view narrator would have been fine for this

i especially feel like there could have been a lot cut from the beginning of the book because it really takes a while to properly get going... if it ever actually gets going at all, which is kind of debatable. i am also not sure if it is supposed to be scary or creepy or smth, but the pacing certainly didnt build up any tension or suspense at all

any reveals towards the end of the book didnt even surprise me, they just made me go “okay...”

idk, i think this book could have been much better with a different structure (or as a different medium...)

This was incredible! Once you start you can't put it down. It's a great mix of old boarding school mystery and cursed buildings and Hollywood magic. Definitely worth all 600+ pages.

4.5 what a JOY! absolutely had a thrilling, spooky, enchanting time reading this

This book is not good. It has good portions, but, overall, it desperately needs a better editor with a chainsaw and a friend who can tell the author that she's not nearly as clever as she thinks she is.

There are two timelines of the book: old and new.
The old timeline is best, and most neglected, section of the book. But it builds and then fizzles, so another disappointment.

The new timeline is, uh, not good. It doesn't even build; it's just disappointing the whole way. Sixty percent of it is absolutely useless that leads nowhere. You'd think it'd be groundwork for character development, but nope! Turns out none of the named people are actual characters anyway. One character, Harper, has one personality trait: being cool. Another, Merritt, has one personality trait: insufferable (like if Tumblr was a person, and not in a good way). The last, Audrey, is simply there. But we're supposed to believe that any character cares about any of the other? Like, I can see where Danforth TRIES to show chemistry between characters, but she ends up writing the most soulless, bland conversation. Like, saying the words, “they were flirting,” does not actually mean that they were flirting if it sounds like two omega simulators were talking.

And the author has an annoying habit of just having characters say things that the author wants to be, rather than them actually be true. Having two actors get together to gauge chemistry isn't weird. It happens all the time. But you have a character say “this is weird,” presumably to set some sort of mood, but it's factually not true, and you just leave it for the reader to blindly believe. Like, Emily, you just overwrote this book by 400 pages! You can't add in one paragraph to explain why something is weird, rather than just say “this is weird”?

Gay.

Thank you to William Morrow Books for the #gifted finished copy of emily m. danforth's PLAIN BAD HEROINES! This has not influenced my review, which is honest. I was not compensated to read or review.

It's rare to finish a 600+ page book and feel disappointed that there's not more left to read.

Okay. This book... it is genius. It's a plotty onion, with layers of Gothic, sapphic, meta, all laced with a great sense of humor. It's also, at various points, unpredictable and eerie in wholly satisfying ways. PBH features a darkly funny narrator commenting on both past and present, with footnotes and illustrations that amp up the experience.

The pacing in this book is perfect, and it builds slowly over time but in a captivating way. Then there's a series of events that had me flipping back and forth and rereading more closely.

I'd highly suggest this one as a print book; personally, I struggle with audio a lot, and I feel like it would be confusing to keep track of the plot and time shifts. And for the ebook, I heard that the footnotes actually become endnotes in the digital version, which is tough because I think they lend a lot of context and enjoyment.

I loved this book, especially as a buddy read.