Excession

I like the ideas and there's nothing wrong with the writing, which is on part with the prior books, but there are too many characters and too many of them are Culture ships. Perhaps it's just a factor of the audiobook medium but the communications between Minds were opaque and confusing.

I adore Banks, but this one felt a bit over produced, and I can't even put my finger on it. Maybe too many ships and characters with different allegiances and the ship equivalent of “He said” “she said” at every sentence just wore me down. On to the next one

What a disappointment. This entry in the Culture series was billed as the main book to look forward to, a pay off for the diligent reader/ true fan. I can't see the appeal. There is a lot of stuff contained in 500 pages; too much stuff, this book is bloated and unfocused.

A short summary: The Culture encounters and “Outside Context Problem”, the discovery of an “Excession” an artifact of a civilization so advanced as to be beyond their understanding. (Conquistadors to Aztecs/Incans). In the midst of this alarming discovery a war is precipitated as part of a long running conspiracy, with the discovery of the Excession serving as a catalyst.

Before this becomes a list of everything wrong with the book I will say that I enjoyed getting a story that dealt in the perspective of the Minds. Given that they feature so prominently in the premise of the series it is kind of surprising that they haven't featured as main characters until this novel. There are certain snippets and interactions between the varying ships that were extremely entertaining. As ever, I enjoyed the sheer variety of interesting and novel ideas the Culture throws at you, of which, this novel has no shortage; really this is a conceptual feast of a novel.

Unfortunately that same glut of interesting ideas is, in my opinion, the downfall of this book. There are so many subplots, characters, and concepts to keep track of. Some of the chapters are non-linear to boot, so you have a really hard time pinning down exactly what is going on until maybe half way through the book. Along the way Banks gets a little lost in the sauce and spends an in-ordinate amount of time expounding on non-relevant but interesting tidbits about the world we're visiting. This would be fine but we have the main plot concerning the excession, we have a conspiracy that cuts in every other chapter, there's a war on in the background, there's a love story, and much much much more. It's all plot, so when Banks takes two or three pages to explain something ancillary it really just makes the book drag.

I want to briefly mention the Genar-Dajeil-Ulver subplot. Genar is tasked by SC (on secret orders from the Sleeper Service) to retrieve a mind backup of some ship captain, Ulver is tasked to distract him by the conspirators, and Dajeil has been pregnant for 40 years with Genar's child. At the very end we're told that Genar only features in the plot because his presence was the payment the Sleeper Service had requested. This entire subplot is contrived, all it served to do was distract from the truly interesting bits.

The prose in this novel is also much weaker than I've come to expect. The cryptographic notation attached to the ship communications was pretty neat the first time I saw it, but it features in EVERY ship/mind focused chapter and it seems like a crutch to lend a little credibility to the staggeringly dense paragraphs that follow. Most of the plot is delivered in these long and drawn out exposition dumps, and rarely if ever does the conversation between characters resolve any questions we might have had.

Finally, I will note as I have for the previous books, that Banks cannot write a female character to save his life. In this book it becomes truly baffling as we get a better understanding of the in-universe mores and norms surrounding sex, gender, and the family. For an older series this book has an extremely progressive tilt; I found the concept of “mutualing” where both partners become simultaneously pregnant to be fascinating and surely enough to make a nun blush. Ostensibly in the Culture where people can and do freely transition between sexes, the difference between men and women would surely amount to just aesthetic differences. Why then, are all the female characters featured so far in these books, and this book in particular, cardboard cut outs, or proxies for male characters (or the ships), or just tropey brat-type characters?

“Excession” est le cinquième tome du cycle de la Culture de Iain M. Banks. Après le recueil de nouvelles qui constituait le quatrième volume, on retrouve ici un long et très bon roman de science-fiction.

Je dois pourtant dire que j'ai eu un peu de mal à plonger dedans : la multitude de personnages et de factions mises en scène m'a un peu perdu, le récit met un peu de temps à décoller. Même une fois lancé, cela reste parfois confus car les intrigues, mêmes si on sent qu'elles sont liées, sont multiples et pas toujours faciles à suivre. Heureusement, cela est tout de même atténué par la présences des Intelligences Artificielles et notamment les discussions absolument hilarantes qu'elles ont entre elles. Je crois que c'est la première fois que je vois des IA qui soient traitées à ce point comme des personnages à part entière, et c'est vraiment la grande force de ce roman.

Le récit s'accélère nettement à la fin et on finit par comprendre où l'auteur a voulu nous amener depuis le début. Je continue de penser que certaines intrigues et certains personnages n'étaient pas forcément indispensables mais ce n'est qu'un petit bémol dans un excellent roman. Je reste clairement sur la très forte impression laissée par les derniers chapitres, ainsi que pour mon adoration pour les personnalités des IA imaginées et mises en scènes par Iain M. Banks.

Autant dire que je vais enchainer directement avec le prochain tome du cycle !

Iain M. Banks wasn't just the greatest sci-fi writer to have ever lived, he was one of the best writers ever. This book proves it.

Since his death, I've slowed down my consumption of his books dramatically. Knowing that as soon as I finish reading his final works, there'll be one less thing in my life to look forward to.

“But then, as she knew too well, the more fondly we imagine something will last forever, the more ephemeral it often proves to be.”

From all the “Culture” novels I have read, I think this is the weakest. I just couldn't get into the story. While there were interesting parts, there seemed to be way too much text without a story and too many loose ends and side stories that really didn't move the main story forward.

Some parts were interesting in deepening the main Culture lore, but not enough to somehow enjoy this book at full.

As all the books are pretty much stand alone, at the current point I would skip it.

Not his best.

This is my 4th, and probably last, Culture book that I've read.

I can't see why people like this series.

Horrible characterization, no real plot to speak of that isn't riddled with holes and cliches.

Just when you start thinking it's really about the humans... it's not. Well, urr. Damn. Fun read though and Banks continues to completely befuddle you for the first third of a culture book before all the alien concepts resolve into a clever tale.

Dense, and a bit slow going at times, but the ending tied it all together nicely. Solid. A Culture book where the main characters are mostly Minds is an interesting and brain-expanding concept, and he pulled it off quite well. I might rate this higher if it didn't succeed Player of Games and Use of Weapons, because let's be honest, pretty much anything that follows Use of Weapons is going to be a disappointment.

Ik heb er langer over gedaan dan verwacht, en dat ligt maar deels aan het boek zelf. Vintage Banks, luidoplach-grappig bij momenten, nadenkstemmend bij andere momenten, een reeks verhaallijnen door elkaar die uiteindelijk wel allemaal samen komen, maar dat g'er uw hoofd bij moet houden.

En dat dat niet evident was met proclamaties van kinderen, verjaardagsfeesten, aperitieven in het park en aanverwante sociaaldoenerigheden.

Meer dan in andere boeken zijn de Minds zelf hoofdpersonages, van de Sleeper Service – een ex-Culture GSV die zich nu tot Eccentric heeft omgedoopt en extravangante tableaux vivants (of morts, of comateux) maakt met mensen die hun lichaam hebben laten opslaan – tot een schimmige groep van onder meer veteranen van de Culture-Idiraanse oorlog, de Interesting Times Gang.

En dat ze het absoluut niet allemaal per definitie eens met elkaar zijn, of zelfs maar het beste voorhebben met iedereen.

Daarnaast: Genar-Hofoen, een excentrieke Special Circumstances-agent, die het meer dan naar zijn zin heeft bij de Affront, bijna karikaturaal (maar dan expliciet bedoeld) gemene aliens, die hun hele wereld genetisch gemanipuleerd hebben om zo veel mogelijk hun omgeving te terroriseren. Beesten kweken om bang te zijn van Affront, en om als bal te dienen in een soort squash, bijvoorbeeld.

Daarnaast ook: Dajeil, ex van Genar-Hofoen, stormachtige relatie achter de rug en nu redelijk neurotisch al veertig jaar zwanger van hem, en dat ze weigert te bevallen.

Euh ja, dat soort situaties. Tegen een achtergrond waar er in het universum een Excession opduikt: een onbekend iets dat alles zou kunnen veranderen, met reizen tussen universa en alles – maar dat quasi meteen een casus belli wordt tussen Affront en Culture.

De prijs waard, al was het voor de machtig smakelijke omschrijvingen van martelingen en andere degoutantigheden door de Affront: ze zijn zo door en en door gemeen dat het bijna onmogelijk is om ze niet sympathiek te vinden.

I started reading it when Iain was alive, and only now finished it. RIP

I liked this book, but I think I would have liked it more if I had read the earlier books in the series first. I found myself wondering what was going on and who the characters were, and it wasn't until I was halfway through when I realized that it was part of a series. I look forward to reading the earlier books starting with Consider Phlebas.